Gauging the value of an American Flyer train set

G.C. of the Santa Barbara shop Random has a toy train set by A. C. Gilbert Co. In the world of objects, each “thing” is a unique idea; an object is the exercise of visual imagination. Mechanical sets made for boys in mid-century America are solid, material, industrious examples — none better, perhaps, than the American Flyer train set.

Although Alfred Carlton Gilbert (1884-1961) didn’t invent the toy train, he revolutionized it. In 1938, he acquired the rights to the American Flyer from W.O. Coleman and moved production to New Haven, Conn., adopting a 3/16 scale while keeping the three-rail O gauge track. G.C.’s set follows World War II, as his is a two-rail S gauge track. Gilbert’s revolution was his trains’ realism; American Flyers looked like real rail cars.

Gilbert was a true Renaissance man, as emphasized in his interestingly titled biography, “The Man Who Changed How Boys and Toys Were Made: The Life and Times of A. C. Gilbert, The Man Who Saved Christmas.” Gilbert’s stroke of genius was his invention of the Erector Set in 1913, springing from his imagination as he witnessed the construction of the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad. Yet because the U.S. needed factory space for World War I war production, the government banned such toys. Gilbert lobbied (and won) against this, hence he was “The Man Who Saved Christmas” for WWI-era boys.

His business acumen was acute, producing 30 million Erector Sets by 1935. His biographer’s assertion that Gilbert “changed how boys were made” refers to Gilbert’s inventions of do-it-yourself mechanical toys for boys, such as microscopes and chemistry sets. He advocated the teaching of “innovation” in American schools, which he found lacking, so he honored the importance of “invention” by founding the Gilbert Hall of Science on Broadway in New York City in 1941. Although impelled by Gilbert’s spot-on capitalism (he sold his products from the museum), this was one of America’s first museums of science and technology.

Gilbert was the impetus behind further halls of science: a “Gilbert Hall” in Miami on Flagler Street in 1943; another in Washington, D.C., in 1944; and a Chicago Hall on Michigan Avenue in 1953. Gilbert halls were devoted to massive, elaborate and imaginative American Flyer layouts. By visual example, they taught young boys mechanics, the American landscape and the glories of American technology.

New York’s multi-storied hall featured three continuous room-sized displays of “Flyers” on the first floor: the Small 3-Rail, the Railroad Empire and the Super Layout (bridges included). The second floor was devoted to merchandising directed at young visitors whose parents opened wallets, a prescient coup for Gilbert. These halls kept the American Flyer in the public eye during yet another “toy” prohibition during WWII.

If a boy couldn’t visit the Gilbert halls, there were always the Gilbert catalogs, which were mailed nationwide, featuring the halls’ Flyer layouts. An extravagance beyond boys’ reach, these unattainable (for most in the 1940s) trainscapes sweeping through the American landscape were picture-perfect visions of the model train. An aging aficionado on www.AmericanFlyerDisplays.org remembers, “For most of us (boys), it was a glimpse (of magnificence) and we didn’t know what we were looking at, as the photos were never labeled. It was just the most fantastic layout, what we wished we had (ourselves) to run our trains on.”

Gilbert’s early sets and publications for boys reveal the breadth of his interests, as well as the ubiquitous blessing of never growing up. An early interest in magic led to the mechanical: Gilbert Mysto Magic (1913), Gilbert Chemical Magic, Handkerchief Tricks for Boys (1920), Gilbert Hydraulic and Pneumatic Engineering, Knots and Splices with Rope Tying Tricks, Magnetic Fun and Facts, and Fun with Chemistry.

The Collector’s Guide to American Toy Trains gives the value of G.C.’s locomotive alone at $920. But the value of the American Flyer is also the legacy of boys’ education, building realistic mechanical objects in realistic American geography, technology American-style, 1920-50.

Gilbert led a full life; not only did he found a brand of industrious play, but he epitomized the American boy. At the age of 16, he broke the record for consecutive chin-ups in 1900, and at 22, he set records for the pole vault, and tied for gold in the pole vault at the 1908 Summer Olympics. In Gilbert’s 1954 autobiography, “The Man Who Lives in Paradise,” the paradise is eternal boyhood. A true American Hardy Boy who was also a brilliant industrialist, Gilbert is remembered by legions of grown men whose hobby is model trains.

6 thoughts on “Gauging the value of an American Flyer train set

  1. Peggy Ferguson Reply

    I would like to know the price of of a vintage Gilbert American Flyer train set. It would be a 1950’s edition. Santa Fe A and B unit, double engine. Model numbers 21910-1 and 21910-2 with many cars. 3/16″ scale.

  2. Peggy Scott Reply

    The best way to determine a resell value price, is to type in your items description on ebay, and in the filter sections, check SOLDS, and the prices it brings up in GREEN are the amount of dollars that item last sold for. Also you should type the same information in to google search and all browser search fields. Remember that prices do change frequently. The antique market is not steady and is constantly trending.
    I saw your question here because I am currently researching the value of a set of Gilbert American Flyer Trains with boxes, etc.
    Hope your day is blessed!

  3. Marc Lawrence Reply

    I saw you were researching values for American Flyer train sets. I have 5 complete sets with multiple accessories from the early 1950’s and lots of tracks and switches. Am not computer literate and no time to enter eBay type stuff. Any suggestions?

  4. Robert Masson rmasson@snet.net Reply

    1964 American Flyer
    #295 Pacific locomotive
    #785 Coal loader
    #2 75 watt transformer
    #779 oil drum loader
    Caboose #630 Reading
    #644 hoist
    SL-SF 641 Frisco line open car
    Mkt #637 the Caty enclosed car
    #706 uncoupled, track switches ,signs
    17 curved track, 8 straight tracks
    Original instruction book
    And church, farm &station
    Plus original boxes and the original Railway Express box it was shipped in.
    Can you help me with a value or where to find a buyer.

  5. Ray Buonadies Reply

    I would like some idea what it’s worth. I have in the original box a 4904 T American Flyer set used in boxes plus 3 used engines and tenders.

  6. Stu Mahlin Reply

    The advice to check eBay for “sold” items like yours is solid. But do check prices for items up for sale; except for asking prices set by dreamers who fail to realize that those of us who were kids in the 40s and 50s are dying off, you will eventually get a grasp of the bid-ask price points and range.

    Two other things: Remember that eBay is the bargain basement. Trains — whether Lionel, Flyer, or Marx, and whether “O”, “S” or “HO” gauge, whether new-in-box or well used — fetch better prices at live local auctions and via online auctions run by local auctioneers. And remember that EVERYbody has extra red cabooses (cabeese?) and curved track and green gondolas so don’t spend much if any time on them.

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